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Mar 2015

Hello my name is Jaewon and I am a very new in 3D printing. Well, I am a sound technician neither a designer nor engineer… By the way, I am thinking to purchase a 3D printer.
However, I am confused which printer I should buy, which computer and program I should use and so on and on…

I am interested in Ultimaker 2, Ultimaker 2, Makerbot 5th gen, Cube Pro with iMac… And is it ok to operate a printer in my bedroom? Because I don’t have an extra room and garage is pretty cold now…
At last, how and where should I purchase a printer and materials? Please advise me. Have a great weekend with beautiful sunshine.

Oh, I can’t modify my post… haha
Most of all, I want to learn 3D printing.

Hi there !

I’ll split my comment into parts so that it’s easier to understand.

Printer:

Ultimaker is a good brand to start, also concider Lulzbot TAZ (5 or mini) if you like to tinker on the printer. Makerbot 5th is not worth the price, since the release of this printer Makerbot was not able to produce their “Smart extruder” without clogging. That means that you can make one or two prints on average before there is filament that gets stuck in the extruder. You would have to send the extruder back and wait for replacement. I don’t know if they yet fixed that, take a look at these videos for reviews on the 3 mentioned printers https://www.youtube.com/user/wtfbbqgaming/videos

Cube Pro has proprietary filament cardridges, right ? Then you’ll regret buying this printer because you can only use very few different materials and they are very expensive.

I use a leapfrog Creatr HS because of the all metal frame, fast printspeed, build volume and standalone feature. You have to take a look at the printers features to decide which is the best. Stuff like a webcam on the Makerbot 5th is nice but not a requirement especially not if you just want to start.

There is a list from 3dHubs in which they rated nearly every printer made in 2014 just google that. I would look for the following features on a printer:

-standalone

-heated bed to at least 90°C

-nozzle temperature to minimum 270°C (exotic filaments need this temperature, polycarbonate even needs 300+°C)

-different nozzle sizes and dual extrusion (supportmaterial, larger nozzles for faster prints)

-durable design, build to last for years not months

Computer:

I use a Windows 7 PC with Simplify3d. Mac works aswell for most printers but just in case ask a support if you are not sure. There are free slicer softwares like Cura if you want to save some money but i have to say that S3d (Simplify3d) has very detailed settings and at one point you can not perfect your prints when only having access to few settings. Makerbot has proprietary software so there are less people that you could ask for help etc.

You really have to decide carefully if you want standalone or not. It could happen that your computer has an update or shuts down for any other reason, also you have two devices that have to run the whole time.

Placement of the printer:

I would go for standalone all the time, meaning garage or any hobbyroom. the Creatr HS is too loud for a bedroom and i guess the other printers aswell, but you could build a box around the printer with audio-limiting foam on the inside, just like a sound studio. This box also keeps the temperature at the printer so that you could operate it in a cold garage.

Filament:

Cheapest would be noname ABS from amazon but this is obviously low quality and can have inconsistent filament diameters which leads to bad prints.

Best brand for PLA is Colorfabb they also have something that is similar to ABS but doesn’t have that much warping, called XT.

When you creat a Hub you get 10%-25% discount on Colorfabb orders.

When you want to go for nylon then buy taulman3d.com filament, these are made with tight tolerances and good documentations.

Software:

I use industry purpose software called AutoCAD, because my father owns an construction buisness. You get many programms from Autodesk if you have a student or pupil pass. Beside that they also have Autodesk 123D which is free for everyone, i’d recommend starting with that. If you want other programms then google is your friend. Also check out youmagine.com and thingiverse.com these are platforms to share files for 3d printing. Common projects like holders for filament spools, modifications for your printer and very much other stuff is there.

Learning about 3d Printers:

Colorfabb and 3dHubs organize many meetings around the world also you can post problems in forums like this or maybe visit a local hub and talk with him/her. Youtube is also a good choise if you look for comparison or information about a specific printer.

This guy has a blog in which he allready compared may printers http://nicklievendag.com/

Purchase:

Purchase filament:

Taulman Nylon => amazon.com

PLA and XT => colorfabb.com (no discount when purchased elsewhere)

ABS or exotic => amazon.com or printers brand

Adivse: get your hands on test size filament like 5-10 meters colorfabb.com has sample packs and many resellers of taulman and other brands will sell you smaller sizes. Allways be carefull before printing and check the data sheets. PVA for example can get burned in the printer when printed just a very little bit too hot.

Purchase printer:

directly from the brands website, it’s easiest for support requests, replacement etc. (just in case)

if you need more help or specific advises contact me.

-Marius

…and that’s who i study for my english exam :smiley:

have a nice weekend

oh my god -.- i mean “that’s how i study”

If your near Langley I’ll show you the diffrence between a hobbie printer and a professional grade printer my home is my studio your always welcome. Motion machines inc.

Hi,

When I first started I didn’t know much either. I ended up getting a Duplicator 4x. It has good print quality (100 microns) and can print up to 150mm/s. It is very plug and play but has to be used with makerware. I would recommend downloading it and trying it (it’s free). I have only had one problem when the heating element went after about 1000 hours. It was about £15 to fix and was pretty easy, even for a novice. Finally you can get it for about £550 on wanhao uk website. It’s a good value for money replicator dual clone. http://www.wanhaouk.com/collections/frontpage/products/wanhao-duplicator-4x-clear-case.

Also at my school we have a Ultimaker 2 it seems very easy to use and is very ‘plug and play’ with low, standard and high settings as standard. However you can also change to advanced settings and have full control. That uses Cura, also free, so try that as well. Also this one is open source.

As for filament you are printing in your bedroom like me so use pla as it does not smell. ABS stinks and makes me feel drowsy. Also try some of the colorfabb special filaments, it’s great!

Hi again !

Regarding my point of visiting a hub, may i ask you for where you are living ?

You could take a look at my hub nearly everytime. I’m living in NRW, Germany.

-Marius

Hi Jaewon,

There are a lot of different options, and ultimately it will come down to what you expect from your printer and how much you value your time vs. how much money you wish to invest in the printer.

If cost is less important than your time, you want something that will be reliable, and you don’t want to tinker with it at all, then the cube (3rd gen or pro) would probably be your best bet. You will be limited to the materials that 3D systems sells though, as the cartridges are proprietary, however, one advantage of this is that the print nozzle is actually part of the filament spool, so if it clogs, you will lose the remainder of the spool, but fixing the problem is as simple as replacing the spool. The cube 3rd gen is reasonably priced, can use two materials at the same time, is stand alone so you don’t need to have it hooked to a computer all the time (it even has an android/iphone app), and is designed to be as easy to use as possible (which may limit you when you become more familiar with the process, but will make starting easier).

If cost is not an issue, and you have lots of time to tinker, aren’t in a rush to use it out of the box, and want as much versatility as possible, then I would recommend the spiderbot with the dual extruder option. The spiderbot is a delta printer, which uses magnetic ball joints for zero backlash, so it is able to acheive very high accuracy and precision, and the new dual extruder design which rotates the inactive nozzle out of the way ensures that it won’t contaminate or disturb your print (a very common problem with other dual nozzle printers). With all options, to allow for dual extrusion and autonomous printing, heated build environment, etc it is ~$2700US before shipping (more if you want it pre-assembled). I actually recommend you assemble it yourself, as you will then have a better understanding of how the machine works, and how to fix problems that occur.

If you are on a budget, there are a couple of options based on how much you want to tinker, and where you are located. Solidoodle makes some nice budget printers, which work out of the box. The SD 4 and workbench series are also relatively easy to modify, so once you get more familiar with the printer, you have the option to install your own upgrades such as an E3D hotend (highly recommended). Another option is the XYZPrinting DaVinci, which is a surprisingly good platform, for a budget price (~$6-700). Unfortunately it comes set up to only accept their proprietary filament cartridges, but there are tutorials online for how to modify the firmware to accept generic filament. In the process, you also replace the stock firmware with newer, more capable open source firmware. This is not a simple process unfortunately, so if you aren’t willing to void your warranty, and get your hands dirty, I would not recommend the DaVinci on its own merits.

As for filament, this will depend on your choice of printer. I use a Solidoodle 2, which I have had for two years now and made many modifications to, and it is capable of working with most 1.75mm filaments on the market. Depending on where you live, the best source for filaments will vary (mostly due to price of shipping). In Canada I have had good experiences with filaments.ca and revolution printers.

Let me know if you have any more questions,

Kimball

Hey Jaewon,

If you’re interested in the Ultimaker 2 and it’s in your budget then I really don’t think you could do much better for a start in 3D printing. There are cheaper printers that give results that are at least as good but, TBH, the whole package is really attractive with Ultimaker and it’s a great, reliable printer. Don’t worry about software to run your printer. Curt will do it all for you. Of course, you’ll need a design workflow of some kind and there’s a whole world of different packages, depending on your competency, what you’re intending to design and whether you want to buy it or go open-source. I started with Google ( now Trimble ) Sketchup a long time ago and, while it doesn’t have all the bells and whistles that some packages, it’s a good place to start. Not a bad idea to have a look at Tinkered either but, as I say, there are loads of packages out there. Most current ( PC and Mac ) computers will run the software you’ll need, unless you’re intending to do 3D scanning too, in which case, something that’d be good for gaming will be better. I run a MacBook Pro and have no difficulty with anything but the biggest of scan files.

I’d say it’s pretty safe to print in your bedroom. Many people do. If you’re really concerned about fumes it’s probably best to stick with printing in PLA, as opposed to ABS.

Cheers,

AndyL

Pot8oSh3D

Hi Marius,

Thank you for your invitation, but I live in Vancouver, Canada. haha.

Actually I tripped Germany in 2004 and really wish to visit again.

Again, thank you so much for your concern.

Jaewon

Canada to Germany night be a little long an wet for a roadtrip. :smiley: