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Jul 2017

If hubs could configure a support removal cost for SLA similar to the per cm3 materials cost we set currently, the customer can check or uncheck support removal as an option during the ordering process, and easily see the cost with, and without support removal immediately. Obviously this will not easily cover all bases as some small jobs are more time consuming than bigger jobs, but it allows a hub to price accordingly. I almost never remove supports, but I do include side clippers with most orders free of charge now. Out of 54 jobs, only 3 had supports removed and I have maintained a 5 star rating due to value (and probably communication). I always include this message on my orders (I have other standard messages used as part of my order processing):

Job 1 of 1 for this order: ###### is complete, and post curing. Photos will be attached of the items after post cure completes. I will then pack and ship the order and provide further status updates. Since support materials will remain on the part, here are the guidelines for removing supports and the artifacts left behind from their removal:
https://support.formlabs.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000035230-Removing-Support-Marks#remove

I agree with @ProtoCulture . 3D hubs is in the business of providing the interface to connect service providers with service seekers. They should focus on providing an interface that allows us to operate with just as much flexibility as our customers have, not dictating how we do business.

3D Hubs produced an excellent layman’s guide to 3D printing. Why not create a similar guide for potential customers who want to know what they don’t know about ordering a printed part. This could educate the potential customer about the interface, how to use it, and what to expect (things like do I want or need support material removal), and could integrate into the order process to guide the customer to the right hub service. It would also have the potential to guide customers to hubs that offer things like full finishing and painting services. In my mind it’s a no brainer that an educated customer is going to be more willing place orders, and may want services that they wouldn’t otherwise know they can get thru 3D Hubs (read that as higher avg. transaction amounts).

My opinion, working with hubs to allow us to be flexible, is the only way this business model will work for both of parties. Maybe I am totally wrong, and 3D Hubs wants start buying their own printer fleets and selling their services direct… ?

BTW just to illustrate proto’s point, I’ve attached some images of 2 prints that required support removal for a customer. Both prints cost about the same to the customer before additional services. Guess which one required 2.5hrs of model re-work and 2 hrs of support removal and nurb removal that wouldn’t have been quoted into the autogenerated price?

@Robin3D

Great ideas.

I only do FDM for now and generally always remove supports at no real extra cost. For me at this point support removal is sort of a bonus for the customer and also I would rather just do it then let them fight with it unless they specify they want to.

I like your post process info and providing links to tips. Great idea.

I think you are dead on in your thoughts here.

3dhubs has focused so much on dictating to hubs what they must do that they have left the customer flapping in the wind. I haven’t had orders recently but it doesn’t mean I haven’t been contacted. Customers don’t want to use 3dhubs because it has become such a frustrating and cumbersome experience for them.

Love those prints! IS that SLA? I want to get into it but can’t justify the cost.

I agree, time for us to create our own system. 3d Hubs is getting way to ridiculous

If we are being forced to have the default as “You must remove supports.”, the chance for a conversation will not happen with my hub. I will be required to change my extremely inexpensive pricing to a model that incorporates my typical hourly rate. This will cause all of my prints to go from near cheapest, to a level that nobody would even click on my hub to “start a conversation” about the now mandatory support removal cost.

While some people host their printers on 3D Hubs as part of a business, I host mine to somewhat passively make money back on my printer while it isn’t being used for personal projects. My costs are able to be marginally above actual materials cost since I do some prep work, the printer does most of the work itself, I plop it in alcohol, and ship it off on my way to work. Being required to spend hours removing support materials, will make me add the actual cost of my time to the order. When sourcing anything not on this site I prefer the “do it myself” pricing to limit my costs. Others prefer this also. Forced support removal removes value from many hubs.

This should be a separately calculated line item that is customer selected during the order process. If you went to an auto parts store or a home improvement/hardware store, and people added labor costs to everything, people would stop shopping there. Lightswitch $3, mandatory electrician hourly rate of $125 for the bookrate has been added to your purchase, please contact us if you wish to discuss the pricing. The item never makes it in the cart.

What is sad is that 3DHubs is doing this in a vacuum. Did they reach out to hubs asking them what to do? Probably 2 or 3 in Amsterdam. My hubs prices are very low, as the goal for me is to get 3d printed parts out to people for a reasonable cost. There is no place to state what are optional services, or what MANDATORY services are. Might be time for us all to switch to other 3d printing sites, like makexyz.com.

If 3dHubs is going to micro-manage all of us hubs, then I would say that we are being employed by 3dHubs and that we should be also compensated per hour for anything that we have to do with regards to printing. Uber lost its claim that it was just an app and that it’s driver’s were subcontractors, and they are employees. If 3dHubs is going down this path, it is a slippery slope.

There next step is going to be that hubs won’t be able to assign prices for their prints, and that there is one set price per location.

I beilieve there can be a middle ground.

For example, there can be a bargaining option regarding terms in the guidline: Both side can accept some of the terms or all of them in the guideline, as long as both sides have reached an accord, there will be hardly any misunderstanding.

Agree with your points. I do support removal as a complimentary service for the most part. It isn’t a big deal and I want to see how the part is.
Like you, my costs are low so I can price accordingly. I am not trying to undercut anyone but just offering printing at a rate that I am ok with in my area so people can have access and learn about it.

Yep form2 is a gem! Takes a little time to figure out strengths and weaknesses but I have s nearly 100% success rate for print and ship