@Filemon Could you also let me know why when a customer is searching for hubs from Leicester they get hubs from other parts of the UK and even one from Belgium?
Position 4 is a hub from London which is 140km away
Position 9 is a hub from BELGIUM which is another country 370km away!!!
Also I just noticed my listing says I respond in 13m on average but my dashboard says that both my accept/decline time and order comment times are 2m. Is it me or is this full of errors?
I’m starting to lose confidence that 3D Hubs will be great again.
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This is ridiculous on so many levels. Not sure how 3dhubs could have screwed this up worse.
I find it hard to believe that so many of those customers went on to print at SLA or SLP printers. I think it is likely they were simply scared off 3dhubs by the new wording, and either decided not to part with their money for what was perceived as low quality, or that they looked around and found some non-3dhub site with a better description of FDM to place the orders.
3dhubs has gone into hiding on this issue.
No doubt, 3D Hubs will come back with some figures to show that order levels were unchanged. This is a nightmare for me and they don’t seem to care.
If they continue to push customers away from FDM, I imagine the result will be a competing website full of FDM printers.
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@Filemon @Perry_1 Whilst we are going though all the anti FDM processes on here I thought I’d go through the material selector wizard to show how difficult it is to get an FDM result. I will post a tree displaying the results when I get chance but in the meantime check out the attachment. For my first try I thought I would try one that MUST be FDM…
I selected "Function, then “Form and fit”, then for accuracy chose “LOW ” (this must be rough arsed FDM right?)… then the result still gives one last ditch effort to take you to SLS!!! WOW, just WOW!
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Yes, I have been saying this for a week. This is my repeat customer getting that dialogue “can I help you choose a material”.
Its not JUST that the subjective terminology is bad, its that it was shown automatically to a customer I earned. Repeat customer, customer from facebook, customer from my business card, customer from my ads…
The statement that customers only choose FDM because of price is my favorite.
They will say they are focusing on a more “professional” market now. That’s what Makerbot said just before they lost their market.
Instead of going for the positive, they reversed it. They went negative.
I am not sure I can find a case where a company cannibalized their vendors and their end customers so harshly.
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But they don’t say which hubs.
“a competing website full of FDM printers”"opening the door to competition."
This is classic “voice of the customer” training for anyone in marketing. Keep your base happy. Show EXTREME loyalty. Do not show any disloyalty. That’s how competitors get a foothold.
How they did not work to protect existing hubs and customers on this was just amazing. That would have been step one. Marketing 101. Whatever you do, improve your base first.
Don’t expect any figures. I am not sure you should even expect them to come back to this thread.
"The data so far seems to indicate it’s working, no fewer FDM orders, but increasing print quality ratings "
" Success means high conversion numbers, for a variety of materials, without decline in terms of absolute numbers ."
“Also, to be clear, 3D Hubs cannot benefit from any change if it does not benefit our Hubs”
This is a classic misdirection, but you can certainly read between the lines on those statements.
Yes, well, we know which hubs these changes are meant to benefit, don’t we? Its such an amateurish mistake companies make during growth phases, when they hit the death valley of the cost of customers vrs. the revenues of each customer.
They tried to redefine the market.
This is so scary to me. The lack of loyalty. I do not really want to see a 3dhubs competitor chip away at their market. But as my wife said- if she went to a competitor, (such as the printer farms that are popping up here in the states) and they described FDM as quick, inexpensive, and HIGH QUALITY, she would order from them over 3dhubs that defines the prints as low quality prototypes printed with prototyping materials.
It is all so sad to watch. This is just step 1 of “How to walk off a cliff.”
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For me personally it is just disappointment. I’ve enjoyed telling people I am part of 3D Hubs and explaining how it works. Now I just feel FDM was a stepping stone for them and not looking after the people why got them there.
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FDM is not a stepping stone for them, if they just fix some things in the correct way. The materials, qualities, etc., can all live together well. But they have just not been smart about how to go about it. They should listen to us.
It is looking unlikely that I will be able to make this meeting. It is possible for someone to record the meeting?
Filemon
March 21, 2017, 11:15am
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Hi @Steelmans ,
I’m happy to schedule a separate call later this week. That would allow to dive in on your own Hub as well, as I’ve noticed that some comments are more directed towards that. I’ll just go ahead and schedule something. Lmk if that works for you.
The rest of you I’ll speak to later today!
Best,
Filemon
Hi @Filemon ,
A long shot but are you available in the next hour or so?
Thanks,
Simon
Filemon
March 21, 2017, 11:45am
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Hi Simon, I’m available at 3h Amsterdam time today but only for 20min. Alternatively I’ve send you an invite for another option. Let me know what you prefer. Cheers
I would like to be on the call as well. Today at 12? How do I get on?
Mark
Is the original meeting scheduled for 5pm Amsterdam time? (4pm UK time?)
@Steelmans correct
@imagine3dps I’ll send you an invite
My apologies. I found out about this just now. Didn’t have email notifications on anymore after my inbox literally had 50+ emails related to it. Will there be any way to receive a summary of the topics discussed? As well was there any other date possible for the discussion? Thanks again, -Parker Drouillard
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