Printing for 3DHubs and paying (German) VAT

[Joerg_4]

Hi all,

the past week I encountered a problem regarding my work for 3DHubs. According to the Terms of Use #5.4* each hub is responsible for determining its applicable tax and vat.

Regarding my hub I discussed it with my tax advisor. In Germany it is definitely a business and VAT must be payed.

So I would like to make the hubs more sensible to this problem, and it would be really nice if 3DHubs will help their hubs in order to avoid problems with the fiscal authorities

So be aware and don’t tap into a tax trap

Cheers,

Joerg

*5_.4. Hubs understand and agree that they are solely responsible for determining their applicable tax reporting requirements and any applicable taxes for the 3D printing services they provide to Users through the Website._

[ABram]

Hi Joerg, thanks for your comment. As we have Hubs connected in 140 countries it’s not so easy for us to advise each Hub on their individual tax situation. Hubs often know this much better than we do, as it’s different in every country at which point tax reporting is needed.

Where possible we’ll try to improve the information on the website about this, so if you have any suggestions where you would like to see information improved we are very open to hear.

Best, Bram

[Joerg_4]

Hi Bram,

thanks for your reply.

For me it is pretty hard to discuss this in English, but I will do my very best

From my point of view there are some possibilities where improvement is possible:

1. During the registration, there should be a first hint that there might be a tax problem and hubs should check it for their country.

2. On the final payoff page there should be a not like "You receive € x,yz"²
(² = Please check your countries tax regulations. May be tax reporting is required.)

3. Printable invoices for each order will help the hubs a lot for the tax reporting. In Germany for each order there must be payed sales tax (19%) and the hubs need to have some kind of proof for it.

Theese are my thoughts so far

Cheers,
Joerg

[Carsten_2]

Totally agree…I have the same problem.

Basically it’s 3dHubs who is our partner, not the customer, because the payment comes from 3DHubs. First of all, I could not give the customer an invoice over the amount he had to pay to 3DHubs, because I never got this payed from the customer. If I do so and the tax authority check my bank account, they would see only payments from 3DHubs, so they would see this as a different customer than the customer I had send the invoice for the print.

To be on the correct side, 3DHubs would need to give us a receipt for each comission that we get - and this comission should include VAT, or, if you provice a VAT Number, should not include it.

I was in contact with someone at 3DHubs in the past and they compared it to ebay - unfurtunately this is not correct - on ebay, you get payed by the customer you sell to and only pay comission to ebay. Here you get payed by 3DHubs, to your business partner is 3DHubs and nobody else.

Hope to have some clarification from 3DHubs soon…

[Carsten_2]

@Joerg: Basically you are doing business with another company in the European Union - so if they provide you with their VAT number, you should be able to get the payment without additional taxes.

But this all depends how the financial department at 3DHubs is workin…

[Joerg_4]

Hi Carsten,

thanks for the info. Let’s see what 3dhubs will answer…

Sure I will get the payment from 3dhubs without tax but I will have to pay 19% to the German financial authorities

I agree that the comparison with ebay is completely wrong. It is more like selling images on fotolia, etc.

Cheers,
Joerg

[Carsten_2]

Well, just got my invoice from 3DHubs - looks like this:

1 x15% service fee (already deducted) – Order xxx€2.27€2.2721%This doesn’t really make any sense to me. First of all, it should not be 21%, simply because I do have a German VAT Number, so I only need to pay 19% in Germany.

Also 3DHubs pays me (e.g. for the above order) 12 Euros. And the customer had to pay 22 Euros.

So if I would have to give the customer an invoice they would expect this to be 22 Euros which I can’t do. As the payout works via 3DHubs, they are my business partner and I should either invoice them - or - get a comission receipt from them (which would be the easiest).

Hope they will reply…

[Joerg_4]

hmmm, it seems that there will be no more reply?..

[Tribalmind]

Bram,

Same here in Holland, my financial advisor of my VAT registered business adviced me to send an invoice to 3D Hubs, in order to place a correct invoice against your payment.

Invoices need to be compliant with some rules in order to be processed properly in a business and tax administration.

Simply stating that you do business with 140 countries so it is not easy for you… thats not enough for the Tax services( Belastingdienst), when they come and check you books…

When trading to a company abroad VAT is fairly simple, in Europe you have to check the customers (3D Hubs) VAT in the VIES system (http://ec.europa.eu/taxation\_customs/vies/?locale=en) if both are registered the invoicing party (the Hub) can invoice with a tax free invoice, as long as they mention the VAT number of the paying party (3D HUBS) in their invoice and mention “VAT reverse charge” in the area for the VAT rate.

The ( European) Hub will have to fill in the proper taxform to administer this (in Holland its called the “opgaaf intracommunautaire prestaties” or ICP, VAT tax for trade abroad)

In this way 3DHUBs doesnt have to pay VAT to (business) Hubs outside the Netherlands and these hubs dont receive the incorrect amount of 21% VAT (only for invoicing between VAT registrered businesses)

Where can we find 3DHubs’s VAT / Trade register / Invoice adress? In that way a business Hub can set up an proper (tax proof) invoice with their own invoice number and mention the 3DHubs order number and VAT number as invoice reference.

[3DirbtuvesLT]

Hi guys,

we’ve stumbled upon the same issue. After long searching I found this link with required information for correct invoice.

http://btw-zoeken.nl/\_cKP\_3D+Hubs+B.V.

we are business based in Lithuania (EU) so we must prepare invoice for 3DHubs after we received money from them. All we need was VAT ID (BTW Nr. in Netherlands), so guys please mention about it in your receipt and somewhere on the web page.

not sure about non EU countries.