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Oct 2015

Hi folks.

Hi folks.

My Wanhao Duplicator i3 just arrived with no “Platform Tape Sheets” in the box (listed in the paperwork as should-have-been) and there is no glass plate (not promised).

I’m on hold at the moment as I assume it is not advisable to print directly onto the platform?

I’ll get onto the supplier in China about the missing Tape Sheets, but I’m going to need more in the future anyway, so does anyone know a good source for these in Australia – preferably Brisbane?

Is there only one type of Tape Sheet, or will there be a type of sheet specific to my printer?

Also, how should I go about obtaining a glass platform? There is a Glazier nearby where I can buy glass cut to size, but are there any specifics I need to know as to type of glass? Do I just measure the integral platform for size?

TIA

- Bill

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I had an i3 to test and didn’t use the sheet, I just used blue tape.

Hi! You can just use blue painters tape. You can either buy a glass-plate online or get one locally, its simply a hardened glass plate. I can also recommend kapton tape, that way there is no mess with glue or anything, just clean the tape with acetone. I use this instead of blue painters tape, as i found it sticks better for me and I don’t have to replace it that often. The Kapton tape or blue painter’s tape can go straight on your aluminum heat plate.

Best of luck with your printing!

Good tip, I have use kapton for a while but switched to a glasplate with hairspray because I didn’t have kapton any more.

Results are realy good.

I do not have a I3 but a 4X.

I never use Tape Sheet (I’ve got plenty to resell as I tried most of them :wink: but print directly on the glass using 3DLac… you’ll get better results.

I’m using 3mm glass that you can found anywhere.

I sized it bigger than the platform size but it’s because I invented specific attach to simplify maintenance and to be able to print on the full platform size (Wanhao Glass Holder by SmartBlug - Thingiverse 3).

In your case, I think you can simply mesure the platform size.

To answer to your question yes you can print directly onto the alu build plate but I will not recommend you to do so for the simple reason that if your print stick too well to the platform you’ll end up pulling on the whole printer and might bend rod.

For the glass you can buy one from a local glass reseller it need to be toughened glass and the best will be Borosilicate (this glass is specifically treated to support being heated and cooled think of things like pyrex glass or chemistry glass ) but you can also use most mirror as they are often toughened. In the extreme or desperate situation you can even use the fridge glass that make the shelves, micro wave plate or even oven glass door ofcourse you’ll need to cut those to size most of the time (cutting any of this glass is not different from cutting normal glass)

IKEA use to sell a set of 4 wall mirrors 200mmx200mm but can found them listed anymore they look like this ebay listing

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/200-200mm-Mirrored-Glass-Print-Bed-Similar-to-Borosilicate-Boro-Reprap-Bed-/261812387240?hash=item3cf53bfda8

The tape or “Platform tape sheet” is often Polyimide (also misspelled polyamide or called Kapton) tape and can be bought in a roll for fraction of the price they will charge in general. Have a look on youtube there is lot of video how to apply it to the glass easily ps: don’t go for dry method but the wet method is the way

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/5-10-20-30-50-200mm-100ft-Kapton-Tape-High-Temperature-Heat-Resistant-Polyimide-/350801111711?var=&hash=item51ad602a9f

For a bit more info keep reading:

Now in term of covering most people will refer to them as the flavor they prefer for ice cream. IMHO the uhu stick glue, air spray and abs slurry are DIY solution but it doesn’t mean that it’s bad or a bad solution and I explain why. The easiest is the glue stick as most will work I have not found a particular that is better, the air spray is just a pain because if you don’t have the right one it just won’t stick finally the abs slurry is plain nasty a goo that you apply to the bed make a right mess and work mostly for abs however some have success printing PLA onto it.

Perso I use blue painter tape on cold bed and Kapton or Polyimide tape on hot bed the cleaner the better. The most important is bed calibration if the offset (distance between nozzle and bed) is right you can print right onto the glass without anything else assuming you got the right temp.

For cold bed and blue painter tape (I use 3M 2090 be careful as other number don’t have the same texture and won’t work as well unless you know how to print on them ) I recommend to print the first 4 layer at slower speed and the first layer should be really slow and never use Acetone to clean the tape as your next print will stick extremely well to the point you have to tear the print with the tape. With the correct calibration and slow printing of first layers I usually can use the same tape for 2 weeks or more

For hot bed on Kapton tape this will work for almost all material (except flexible filament that will stick incredibly well to the point of not being able to remove the print) and the 2 most important things to understand is

1) cleanliness: Grease from your finger or any other crap might be enough for the extruded plastic to loose it’s grip and start to warp, paper kitchen towel with acetone work well for me.

2) material glass transition: Each material as a value for it’s glass transition for example PLA as a glass transition at 60*C this mean that if you set your bed between 50 and 70 it should work under it might not be hot enough to be near the glass transition and will allow the plastic to shrink back to quickly and warp to hot and you’ll get the bottom of your print deform because the high temp the effect is also called elephant feet because

As above a well calibrated printer will make the part stick well onto Kapton but not to the point it can’t be removed and if your gentle when removing your print the tape can last for up to 2 month easy

a few good pix on this page about pointer of what might go wrong

reprap.org/wiki/Print_Troubleshooting_Pictorial_Guide

I hope this help Bill and happy printing

I have a Wanhao Duplicator 4. I have owned it for about two years and have replaced the glass twice. I went to a glass shop the first time and obtained a nice sheet of glass with a frosted finish. It worked for about eight months. I replaced it because it got chips in the glass from removing the ABS slurry too aggresively. I then went to Loews and just had them cut some scrap glass. The glass was thinner than any prior purchases, so I had to relevel the bed. My point is, that just about any glass seems to work. I would ask “Jet Guy” on the Google forum. That guy is annoying beyond words…however, he also knows Wanhao Products inside out. He is so good with advice that I think he may have had something to do with the design. He is sooooo protective of his baby!

Thank you all for some excellent and very informative input. Filed away for future reference.

I have just been alerted to the existence of BuildTak, which seems to have many advantages. But it may be a little expensive, depending on how long it lasts. I’ll be giving that a try first.

build tak has a bad write up.

the best, and most cost effective is hairspray on glass for ABS and PVA glue (diluted) on glass for PLA - the PLA does not need a heated bed.

I just use normal picture glass 3mm and I printed a little device to fool the platform into knowing it was 3mm taller - but that was on an Ultimaker - not sure how you avoid the duplicator crashing the glass.

Hi James. I’ve just experienced that melted filament dropped onto the BuildTak surface during feeding/loading of the filament has actually melted through the BuildTak, leaving tiny pits in the surface.

From searching around I can see I’m not the first to experience this, but this example does appear to be extreme:

If I ever get to the point where I can get this i3 machine to do an actual 3D print I guess I’ll go for glass. The more I read, the more I see references to glass and hairspray.