I’ve now sent out my parts to be printed on several machines to see how/who to print what parts in the future. The hard part is how to distinguish the machine from the operator in todays market because most machines still lack basic auto-calibration and feedback loops. Here are my results so far :

1. B9 (DLP) - Near perfect results! Looks like injection moulding. But very limited in print size. Not sure about long-term issues with light catalyzed material durability (see #7 below)

2. Ultimaker (FDM) - The best so far for FDM. Very good detail and close to 100% fill factor, barely noticable lines, but… no soluble support, which is a big limitation in printing even simple parts.

3. Solidoodle (FDM) - terrible results, but accurate dimensions

4. Makerbot 2x (FDM) - Ok results, but serious dimensional issues and warping

5. Shapeways (SLS) - Very accurate dimensions, good detail, but rough surface texture is very distracting

6. Form-1+ (SLA) - disappointing results for SLA, not nearly as good as ultimaker results. Strong layer lines, and demnsionally inaccurate (by a lot!).

7. Objet (UV-Inkjet) - very good detail and dimensional results, but material is unbelievably brittle, surface quality texture not much better that ultimaker for the expense. After a month on my desk parts became like glass and shattered.

So going forward there is no doubt if the part is small, I’ll use the B9. Though I wonder if there is any solution to light catalyzed material enbrittelment over time, because that limits it to a short term prototyping. Eventually it will turn to dust.

For larger parts I’d like to see results like my ultimaker parts, but with soluable support so you can print things without screwing up the surface with support lines… anybody out there with such a setup? Or a larger SLA/DLP setup that prints accurately and with durable ABS-like materials?

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Nice! Thanks for the overview.

The only thing I’m not so sure about is the difference bewteen the Form 1+ and the B9 Creator. I’ve had very good experiences with both of them (maybe even better on the form).

Also the difference between the Makerbot and Ultimaker might be more of a calibration issue. I’ve seen similar results. Although I won’t deny I prefer the Ultimaker heavily over the Maker bot :wink:

Have you also looked into full-color (ZCorp) printing?

Cheers!

Filemon

I am an Ultimaker 2 owner and after seeing Zortrax M200 (FDM) results and machine i must say it is a must choice for those who print only in ABS.

https://zortrax.com/#/home

* Check out this video:

@Filemon: Haven’t used full-color (ZCorp) printing because of durability requirements.

@Creastudiostore: What does the Zortrax M200 do better than the ultimaker? Also, I don’t think the Zortrax can do 2 nozzel setup so it doesn’t have soluable support

I agree that the Zortrax has stunning results (also very popular in the 3D Hubs community) and is relatively cheap, if I remember well around €1250 - €1500. Technically, I don’t know enought to explain why. It’s just a very sturdy machine. A definite recommend. Btw, I’m also still a big fan of the Ultimaker

Ok clear, thx

Hi troy,

I bought my Ultimaker 2 in May 2014, hoping to have the second extruder for soluable support some mounth later. It happends that I talk with the Ultimaker staff at Maker Faire Rome last October and they told me it will be available in Aprile/May 2015 but i am not very sure of this because reading the news in the Ultimaker’s forum it seems the problem is bigger that they thought. Now, if i could turn back in time i would buy a zortrax instead.

I think zortrax deals better with overhangs than Ultimaker 2. Have you ever tryed to print the Overhang Test Print | Overhang Test Print (Customizable) by walter - Thingiverse with Ultimaker/Ultimaker 2?

This are the results with the Zortrax that i found in the zortrax forum:

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Wow, awesome details, guys!