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Oct 2015

Hi all,

I am the proud owner of one of the first hellobeeprusa printers and I am now starting to get decent quality prints out of it :).

I have one issue that I would like to solve namely that the layers are still clearly visible in the end result of the print. I have seen several prints from other printers with the same issue but also several prints that did not have this issue. So I would like to know what I can do to minimalize the visibility of the layers in my prints ? Or have I reached the limits of the printer’s capacity?

I attached an image of one of the cubes I printed that shows what I mean.

thanks for the input!

Kind regards,

Rens Alkemade

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Hi Rens!

Congratulations for being an owner of a HelloBee Prusa! :smiley: I’m pleased to say the same! :smiley:

Can you share your printing configurations, more specifically the resolution of the print? I will print a test cube and share the result of my printer here. I’m trying to set it up as best as possible for high quality prints :wink:

Reducing the layer height will improove the surface quality the most (out of all the other settings you might want to change), however the lower the layers the more troubles you’ll be facing.

When printing with smaller layers there’s less material extruded (relative to time, given that nozzle diameter and printing speed are constant) so therefore the material in the nozzle will have more time to heat up, in some cases this can cause troubles. For example wood fibre composites can degrade in the nozzle, which results in a clogged nozzle that needs replacement. Not only such special filaments have problems with (very) low layer heights, also normal ones will heat up more then before and therefore the heat has more time to “travel” up the filament, making it soft where it shouldn’t be (at the drive gear from the extruder).

So there are some downsides in terms of “ease of use” when reducing the layer height, however that’d be the best way to reduce the visibility of layer lines.

I would recommend a nozzle diameter to layer height factor of 0,5-0,2 meaning, that you shouldn’t exceed the layerheight of 0,2mm when using a 0,4mm and also the layers shouldn’t be thinner then 0,08mm (this can alternate for certain printers and uses, but it’s, what worked best for me).

Try out 0,1mm (if you haven’t allready) and you should get decent results.

Maybe reduce the nozzle temperature a little bit to reduce the heat traveling up the filament.

Secondly you can adjust the extrusion multiplier (also called “flow rate”), which is a factor that’s applied to all extrusion values.

Meaning if you WOULD extrude 10mm of filament on a certain travel move you now extrude 10mm x flow rate.

If you reduce the flow rate you will extrude less material and vice versa. Be carefull with this setting, it can cause much trouble if dialed in too extremly.

Check out Thomas Sanladerer’s YouTube channel, he has a video relating this issue (look for “extruder setup” or something similar).

If you reduce the extrusion multiplier you may reduce the visual defect caused by the layers since less material is pushed out of the nozzle. I would print test cubes and change the flowrate in increments of 2%.

This means you start with one cube at 100%, the next one at 98%, …

It’d be best to see your settings as that may lead to more specific tips.

Good luck,

Marius Breuer

Agree with eckerj, those look like moire patterns due to incorrect stepper micro stepping voltage. I ended up replacing the 16x stepper driver with a 32x micro stepping driver, as well as upgrading the drive gear to the mk7(which has a smaller diameter, therefore more steps/mm increasing resolution) and I no longer see this even at 50 um layers. Solidoodle 2 printer experience. One other thing I noticed in your prints, it appears you may be over extruding a bit, so make sure your steps/mm is calibrated, and run some single wall cube prints to check extrusion width. Spiral vase mode in slicer makes for a great test, especially for your problem.