Right now it’s set to the default current, and I know that I have to turn it clockwise to increase it. Is there a threshold I should avoid?
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Unless you have a multi-meter to check the Vref pin, the best metric is to monitor the heat. If the motor and/or driver is running very hot to the touch(warm is okay) then you want to turn it down.
-Jesse
What kind of printer is it? Are the two wheels that push the material clean? They can get gummed up and no longer grip the material. Are the two wheels under tension? When the material is pushed through the wheels, the material should have little dimples in it where the wheels grip tight.
I have had the same problem countless times and the main causes that I have found on my printer is that when the extruder gets too hot the heat creeps up the barrel and melts some of the plastic inside it, making it harder to get filament through. If I were you I would replace the barrel and maybe the nozzle. Also check the vref of the extruder motor and look up what it is supposed to be. I believe it’s somewhere around. 6 vref. I have noticed it helps to turn the extruder one up a bit to give it a little more current and power to turn the motor. I personally never liked the little peice of tubing in the barrel no matter what material it’s made of… I usually take that out
What if you try to push manually the filament through the extruder? Does the material come out? It shall come out very easily. I had also an issue with the extruder and in the end it was the toothed sprocket misaligned with the wire because the PLA extruder body was deformed. It was very small offset but was enough to prevent filament to be pushed out.
What hot end are you using? In my experience, poor feed is the result of the following:
- low temperature
- on e3D hot ends, check the PTFE tube. They should be replaced occasionally. If you’re not sure, replace it anyway.
- also on e3D, make sure the heater block, nozzle, and barrel are all tight
- drive gear alignment with the tension bearing
- drive gear clogged
- drive gear slipping
Run the stepper without it being installed. Check to make sure motion is smooth. Bad cable is a possibility. Also check the header on the board. If you replaced the motor with similar results, it’s not likely the motor. Could be current, low current will cause the motor to “clutch” and that produces an audible clicking sound.
Hi there
In your shoes I wolud check and/or rise the Vref value of the pololu of the referred extruder motor.
I rised up the Vref over the suggested value. The motor is a little bit warm during the whole (long) printing, but it works just fine.
Ciao
Try lubricating your filament. Do one drop of canola oil on the end of your filament then feed it in. Also you can take a paper towel and a binder clip to make an oiler that lubes the filament before it enters your ptfe tubing. I find that especially with PLA, this really helps on both my direct drive and Bowden printers.
I do this almost every time I reload the filament, it doesn’t seem to do much for ABS or PLA. Thanks for the help though.
There’s rarely an issue with the stepper motors. I’ve had feeding trouble, also, and it’s always been a mechanical issue such as the tension spring had too much or too little tension.
One other factor you may not be thinking about is thermal issues. If the ambient temperature in your printing area is too cold, you will have trouble with feeding.
Can you respond with specific details about what you’re seeing? For instance, when you preheat the hotend, then extrude do you see the hob rotate and chew up the filament? Does the hob NOT move? I think if you can paint a clearer picture for us we could help more.
The stepper motor does not run smoothly, it will rotate on its own when it is not installed, but it has a very jerky motion. It’s a new motor, and the old motor does the same thing when connected to that cable.
The filament does not get chewed up and the and there hasn’t been anything wrong with the temperatures. (I installed my hot end on another printer, and it worked fine) The motor doesn’t seem to have enough strength to push the filament through, it is unable to strip the plastic off the filament. It twitches back and forth when it hits any resistance. The hot end is also completely clear of all plastic debris.
If the same behavior is occurring with different motors, then the issue is likely not the motors. It could be a physical issue with your controller board such as power delivery or firmware. Also, wiring is always a possibility. “Jerky” sounds like a bad connection, so that may be a good place to start.
It is a modified Prusa i3 printer, the whole extruder assembly is completely clean and free of debris. The two wheels are under the correct tension. The plastic does have the small dimples. When the filament does not extrude, it is not being stripped either, the motor simply twitches back and forth, like it’s too weak to do the job.
Thanks for the reply, I’ve ordered new wiring. I’m not sure it’s the control board, because every other motor works perfectly, and it’s a new board that I had replaced rather recently.
I now know it’s not the hot end, I’ve installed it on another printer and it worked printed fine. I checked the vref, and it seems to be sitting at 0.2. How much would I have to turn the trim pot on the stepper driver to increase this? Or is that just for increasing the current?
Is it a RAMPS board? If so, check to make sure you have all the jumpers in place. Got tripped up by that one more than once. Try swapping out drivers.
The following possible causes come to mind
a) physical connectivity: polarity reversed?
b) firmware needs reflashed
c) hotend temp lying! Thermistor issue? (it it doesn’t extrude, maybe its not hot enough)
Please use the “divide and conquer” technique for troubleshooting
Isolate the faulty / problematic variable. Do this by testing the integrity of each component SEPARATELY. This will include running the stepper motor by itself from a static power source, or plug it into a different port then manually control it to determine if its faulty or healthy. Also, you’ll need to test the port on the controller board with a different motor. When testing it don’t have the motor installed on your extruder. Divide and conquer.
“Twitching” instinctively seems like a physical connectivity issue. A shorting wire that is exposed or something else that is affecting the continuity of the circuit.
EDIT: not enough power to extrude the filament could be just that: a power issue. You need to use a multimeter to check the appropriate power is being delivered all the way from the PSU to the stepper motor’s port.
Can you make a picture of your electronic board (ramp)? So we can check together where the pololus are and I can follw you better in adjusting the value.
We also do need the type of your extruder stepper motor, in order to know the electric features
Feel free to send the picture(s) to d.roncadori@gmail.com
Try upping the current it is receiving.
It is NOT the stepper. They rarely fail, and your testing and subsequent posts imply it is not the stepper.
It is likely the wiring has gone bad. This is common for the stepper wires, which break inside from repeated same movement over and over.
Test a different wire, such as using the one from your y-axis. I’ll bet a dollar you will see the wire is bad.
PS If you have a ptfe liner, replace it now and then, it can cause these issues, but my money is still on the stepper wire.
A whole dollar? 
when steppers fail, it’s usually due to overheating which can warp the core where the windings are wrapped. This will cause the rotor to “hunt” for its index. In my case, the stepper would oscillate back and forth.
Update (Problem has been located):
- I switched the cables around, and there was no change.
- I switched the stepper drivers for the extruder and the z-axis, and the filament started extruding more smoothly than ever before!
- I had switched the drivers before, but with a different motor for the extruder. With the original motor for the printer, and the z-axis driver, it worked.
Thank you to everyone who helped, hopefully when the new driver gets here, there will be no more issues!
It actually was the drivers! I switched them out the first time, using the newer motor I had, and nothing different happened. When I switched to the motor that came with the printer, and then switched the drivers, it started extruding plastic perfectly. Thanks for the help.
I experienced something very similar, mine was harder to track down as it would only occur occasionally during prints. My printer would start out fine, then some time during the print my extruder would start jerking like you described. I thought it was temperature so I added active cooling, which did not help, I finally tracked it down to the plug on the end on the cable where it plugs into the stepper. The way mine is set up the flexing over time wore it out, and instead of trying to order a new one from china, and possibly having the issue again, I opened up the stepper and hard wired the cable, then built in a little strain relief using the case of the stepper itself. That was probably close to a year ago, and have not had an issue since. But in diagnosing this you need to be careful with the steppers being unplugged while being energized.
2 years later
I am having same issues. Filament wont feed. Stepper motor goes forward and back. Here what I have done. Swamped stepper motor cable - Cable was fine. Replaced complete extruder tip and tube - No difference. Changed Stepper motor - No Difference. Adjusted Stepper motor current - No difference Changed gear on feeder - No Difference. Changed guide wheel on extruder - No difference. Tried stepper with no filament in it or tension on the guide wheel - Motor still doing same thing. Reflash controller - No Difference. Replaced controller board - No difference. Reflashed new controller board - no difference .Checked power supply Voltages - All voltages rate where they should be. Scratched my head - no hair left. The only thing left is software. Same thing is happening in Cura and Mattercontrol. Have also reinstalled both. Help I am going crazy with this.
Does the original stepper have this issue plugged in somewhere else?
This still sounds like a cable issue.