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Jul 2015

Hi

It’s been a couple weeks I am trying to find out what would be the perfect Material for my project:

It’s an car audio project, I would like to duplicate the Dash Bezel of my car.

Thereis 2 parts:

- Front: The one facing you when you drive, need to be solid and slightly flexible, ABS should be ok for that I guess (stuff like that:)

- Back: The part snapping into the car, this one need to be really flexible but really strong and rigid at the same time
I have a video to show you:

So if you could help me to find out how to do it, and if you think it’s doable via 3d printing, I have already all the design done via Autodesk Invetor (took me 3 weeks)

Thanks guys

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I would look towards Polyester, like Colorfabb XT or PET (which is a special kind of Polyester). In case of PET you might be interested in Taulman T-Glase. An alternative to PET would be PMMA*, which is fairly rare, but web shops, like e3d-online.com 3 offer it.

*PMMA is also known as Acrylglass or Plexiglass, it’s used in all kinds of windows and glasses, it’s a little bit weaker and more flexible compared to Polycarbonate (PC).

PLA or PLA compounds will be too stiff and have a too low melt point for usage in a car.

Anything with carbon fibres is too stiff.

Nylon might work too, but you should keep the object fairly dry, as Nylon can take up up to 25% of it’s own weight in water. The water uptake weakens Nylon.

I haven’t yet had much experience with PC-ABS, but I think, that it will be too stiff, normal ABS might be better.

If you have the sample shown in the video, you could try to find a small text on the plastic, usually letters like “PP” or “PE” or similar indicate the material. In the cases named above it’s “PP” => Polypropylene and “PE” => Polyethylene.

Materials that are specially named as flexible will most likely be too flexible and elastic (for example Ninjaflex).

Anyways print the objects with fairly low infill and a thin outer shell, not more then 1mm. The less material you use for printing, the more flexible the final part will be.

You should brush on some acetone on the ABS prints (with a normal paint brush). Acetone dissolves ABS, but if you apply just a bit of acetone it will “melt/fuse” the different layers together. That will give you a lot stronger prints, otherwise the print will break fairly quickly between the layers.

Should the whole print be flexible, or just some specific spots ? If you just need “local flexibility” you could try to print a flexible material and a rigid one at the same time with dual extrusion, Ninjaflex + ABS or Semiflex + ABS are very common and bond together very well.

Cheers,

Marius

A very nice project I must say! Marius describes everything perfectly. I would definitely try out ABS at least for the prototype of the first part. And I am not really sure how to get a part like the second one. I am sure someone has made something like this. Nevertheless, from the description semi-flex material could be a great test for the second part!

Please let us know how it goes!

Hi Marius,

First of all, Thanks you very much for this explanation

1 - I checked like you asked for the part in the video (the flexible black one), and it says PC/ABS

The most important thing for this part is that it has multiple SnapFits, and it would need to avoid breaking when installed (and removed) from the car. I dont know if ABS can handle that correctly, what do you think ?

2 - The other part (The front bezel) doesnt have any indication on it. The most important part is that it has to be solid, easy to polish and finish and custom paint. Probably also resist to heat as a car could be very hot during the summer. So ABS maybe the solution

3 - The 2 parts gonna have to be glued together and really stick. So i guess the best would be to use ABS for both to ensure this assembly to last

Thanks

I searched for days online to see what could fit for the flexible part (and not too expensive)

Shapeways have something called “strong and flexible” material which seems to be the kind of product which could work I think

Thats my only idea so far

HIPS (High Impact Polystyrene) is probably a good choice here, similar temperature for extrusion as ABS, but VERY resilient and good for ‘snap fit’ parts.

PC/ABS is exactly what the Up! (Afinia, if you’re from the states) printer uses as its “ABS” filament. (Yes, I was with a company who got some Up! filament analysed and it is around 20% polycarbontate). PC/ABS is not hard to extrude, if an printer as basic as the Up! can handle it, most will handle it.

Personally I would investigate HIPS. Where I buy filament, HIPS is cheaper than ABS anyway, can be used as support material for ABS prints if you decide you don’t like it (dissolves in limonene). The real strong point for HIPS is that when printing snap-in fittings, they bend and spring back a lot more than ABS parts - ABS fatigues very quickly, a printed ‘buckle’ will always last longer printed in HIPS than ABS.