What to do with empty spools? Quoi faire avec bobines vides?

Matterthings · 2015-04-08T16:18:47.000Z

Hi Muckychris,

If you don’t mind me asking, how much do you sell them for? Thanks!

muckychris · 2015-04-08T16:21:59.000Z

At $2.99 they hang around for a while - slow sell.
At $1.99 they move quicker.
Have a great day.
If there were a supplier that offered $2 return off next purchase I’d happily use it.
(I have 9 machines running 24/7 and go thru a lot of filament)

Jim_12 · 2015-04-08T19:23:28.000Z

Good solution would be to use them again for the reason they where created I think. This means no resources are needed. Many people forget that recycling is a process that needs resources. What would you think if you new that your spools are being recycled using electricity power produced by coals?

Return programs set up by the producers of filament would also be a good solution.

I am building my own filament extruder and keep my spools to make new ones with the 10kg pellets I have here.

of course if filament extruders would be available to anyone, then even shipping back empty spools would not be needed anymore as everybody could reuse their own empty spools!

ScottObjectForm · 2015-04-08T19:44:15.000Z

“Return programs set up by the producers of filament would also be a good solution” - see my reply a little bit below…

BDan · 2015-04-08T20:59:41.000Z

Exactly! see below, I think one or two hubs in every city should take the initiative and buy/build a decent filament extruder and produce for locals. Personally, I don’t believe a DIY extruder can output a good tolerance for the commercial prospect. I mean if I’m going to provide fresh filament to local users (with spool return policy), I’m responsible for quality and safety (equipement or some components needs homologation)… There are some pretty precise Twin Screw Extruders out there (mainly in China) ready to ship for around 4K$. One thing I can DIY is a shredder to recycle failed parts and supports (on return policy) and other plastics from the recycling bin like PLA milk and juice bottles, etc. But then again, why bother reinventing the wheel when there are some pretty heavy duty shredders out there on Alibaba for example. So if you read below, Im asking local Hubs to co-fund some serious equipement if they want co-ownership and the advantages from that, being high quality filament basically for free and revenues from sales. Having local production and a spool return program and plastics recycling program would drastically reduce the price of filament for local users and 3D printing will emancipate. I want to be among the pioneers. Cheers!

ScottObjectForm · 2015-04-08T21:10:41.000Z

Hey BDan, good thinking… get in touch with me, I am interested, maybe we can look at this idea a little more closer.

info@fila-cycle.com

Scott

GloomySparker · 2015-04-09T05:44:44.000Z

In terms of return programs and not “what you did with?”, I think it should be the way the industry should go. There are many reasons for that including the following:

filament spools are different depending on brands (colorFabb ones are clear transparent plastic for example)
it would be stupid to destruct an object that would need to be recreated
it is the way all brands are going. See Nespresso for example.

GloomySparker · 2015-04-09T05:46:00.000Z

Do you know the use your customer have?

Pot8oSH3D · 2015-04-09T11:41:16.000Z

This discussion is getting very interesting to me but, TBH, I’m having trouble keeping track of people’s inputs though. Perhaps the way I’m viewing the page or maybe just the format. BUT!! I think we have something here. Not p*** in anyone’s fire here. Just want to structure thoughts a bit…

1) There’s no sense recycling spools because they’re useful and it would use still more energy to do so

2) There are many different spool formats and sizes

3) If, for every geographical “set” of printers, there were a “centralised” shredding, extruding, spooling facility, we’d be able to get recycled material with many financial and environmental advantages.

4) Such a facility would be scalable, according to local print demand and number of printers.

5) Diversity of spool designs need not be a big issue as facility spool stock would probably reflect usage of the local printers to a large extent.

I’m sure I’ve missed something. Anybody got anything to add?

This is really interesting!!!

Cheers!

AndyL

Pot8oSh3D

Pot8oSH3D · 2015-04-09T11:43:19.000Z

@BDan. I haven’t seen equipment at these low price levels but would be interested in getting them

Could you post a couple of links?

Cheers!

AndyL

Pot8oSh3D

ScottObjectForm · 2015-04-09T11:59:00.000Z

Hey Andy, sounds about right. We have a system about to go live here in the UK, possible EU. Feel free to get in touch, info@fila-cycle.com

Interested

@luukgerrits

@Filemon

Scott

GloomySparker · 2015-04-09T12:36:38.000Z

You’re right about the forum format. It is very hard to follow and also because the email alerts won’t put at the right position in the posts (they are not anchored).
Having a centralized “hub” for all (call it the way you want) seems a bit difficult for all brands.

It could perhaps be easier per spool style. Think about the colorFabb ones that are completely different than simple polycarbonate ones that are also completely different than Cube X cartridges.

Because I also sell colorFabb filament in Switzerland, I am really interested to find a solution for my customers. However, I am not interested at all to find a solutions for other brands which would give me a lot of work!

Filemon · 2015-04-09T15:29:35.000Z

@GloomySparker @Pot8oSH3D totally agree on the readability issue. We’re aiming to tackle this in the next sprint so please hang in there a little longer

Cheers!

GloomySparker · 2015-04-09T20:12:14.000Z

Anchor system is already up!

BDan · 2015-04-10T03:22:51.000Z

Hi Scott, I think it’s better to have this discussion here, where more brains all over the world can contribute to a better, ever evolving model.

I think GLocal: Global sharing of ideas, recipes and documentation that can be produced and distributed on demand Locally

Local hubs that will take initiative and provide quality service are still marginal, most users just want to order local and have extras. Local competition is healthy for quality and price to users, the more reliable and affordable the more people will buy 3D printers or use Hub services

BDan · 2015-04-10T03:29:57.000Z

Hi Andy!

Just on Alibaba I find these:

crusher

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/small-plastic-shredder-for-sale\_60136944169.html

extruder (low)

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/high-output-high-performance-abs-pla\_1902821240.html

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ABS-PLA-3D-Printer-Small-Filament\_60133633538.html

extruder (med)

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ABS-PLA-Nylon-PP-PE-PS\_60114144616.html

extruder (high)

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/ABS-PLA-Mini-lab-laboratory-small\_60153974931.html

Please help find some more and identify the best choice… thanks

BDan · 2015-04-10T03:41:29.000Z

I found two collaborators with extensive knowledge and experience who want to get involved in our Montreal filament project. One had his injection molding company and he’s retired now but likes this, one is a chemist specialized in plastics looking to develop materials for specific applications. He would also like to mix Photopolymer Resins for DLP/SLA printers in the Local market.

I will have them join the conversation or keep you updated on ideas and advancements.

Cheers!

BDan · 2015-04-11T02:45:04.000Z

My lil input: make it simple Timeline if someone reply it goes to timeline and highlights the reply person.

Matterthings · 2015-08-19T17:21:00.000Z

A member of our community just created this video:
“Uses for your 3D Print Spools”

3DBRANCHES · 2015-09-22T17:55:40.000Z

Hi @Charlotte_2, what machines do you use?