Hi Marc,
We spoke privately today, as I was one of the hubs that received MULTIPLE orders from you while playing “provider roulette”, all of which you requested to be immediately cancelled.
I can certainly understand your frustration, as I have had more than a few customers I worked with on a regular basis that were unable to find me after the changes. However, I strongly disagree with your workaround. These cancelled orders do affect the providers in a very real and measurable way. 3DHubs removed the ability to select specific providers, and yes, that sucks. But that means that if you need to select a specific provider, 3DHubs may no longer be the platform for you. By playing provider roulette, if you do eventually get your hub, you are still giving 3DHubs your money. You only impact the other hubs along the way. So it doesn’t sound like anybody is really getting the message.
3DHubs has made it clear that providers are not to approach customers in an effort to take business off of the platform. Totally reasonable, basic non-compete type stuff. BUT, they did open up a forum to allow people to connect outside of the platform. Which basically means that you, as the customer, totally have the right to pursue your desired provider outside of the 3DHubs platform.
Again, I totally get where you are coming from. But we should try to look out for each other as we navigate this new platform model.
First of all, I apologize for the inconvenience and hope that 3DHubs doesn’t penalize you for customer-cancelled orders. That was another request that I did put to customer service.
As a customer, it’s insane to have to work so hard and bend the system to get something -a preferred supplier from 3DHubs’ vetted list- that (1) has historically been available and (2) is entirely compatible with their stated goals. From my perspective, 3D Hubs wants it both ways: the lack of capital investment required to fill its own orders but to bury or strip away the customer:provider relationship. As a new middle-volume customer (maybe not the institutional customer they have in their sights but with ten orders in the past three weeks probably worth courting) I can’t afford a possible lost week of product development so would much prefer to go with someone who has proven themselves with good print quality, good communication, and shipping options/times that work for me. I know that management will say that all providers are equal… but we all know that’s not the case.
It seems to be ‘the thing’ at the moment for 3D printing providers to make sweeping community- and customer-alienating changes. While I can’t speak to 3DHubs’ revenue or Shapeways’, the feedback in this thread (which echos much of what is going on over at SW) and site ranking charts posted above suggest that it’s a losing strategy.
The unfortunate calculus is that even if it takes a few tries, it still makes sense to continue to give 3DHubs (and its providers) my money if they can deliver what is needed: high-quality prints, quickly, at a reasonable price with a high level of confidence. I passed my feedback on to customer service and one of the co-founders in the hope that 3DHubs can use that feedback (and that above) become its best self- rather than trying to be someone else.
3dhubs doesnt care. I have emailed them and have had multiple repeat customers also voice their concerns. They think that all hubs will print same. Even though you can order a part from multiple hubs and each one may have a different shade of color used and tolerances vary. They will all be within spec, but if one hub is -0.3mm and another is +0.3mm on part they arent going to work well together.
