New type of cold end: the Vaeder V-struder

bv_alkaios · 2016-01-18T11:48:28.000Z

Oh thank you very much! This will be useful for altering to the parts (for example for adding an inlet for the bowden tube).

oklok · 2016-01-18T13:23:17.000Z

Looks good, but the filament being bent while going in (80 degree) is not really optimal for filaments that are easy to break, or?

FantasyFormer · 2016-01-18T14:00:26.000Z

I loke this idea but you are not going to release stl files on this? Can i print my own please? This looks like a great idea, i would like make one for myself. What do you say?

FantasyFormer · 2016-01-18T14:01:33.000Z

Awesome! Cant wait to produce one. I think this is THE solution for flxible filament too!

mcmasterp · 2016-01-18T14:33:35.000Z

Nice. Love the idea since i hate teeth dig and strip. Might need latger diameter for pla but still. Videos please

JF43FR · 2016-01-18T14:46:15.000Z

I agree, a video demo would be nice!

georgeroblesjr · 2016-01-18T15:45:11.000Z

Dang it. I had the same idea. However, I have a different idea than you, but look great.

StefanThePro · 2016-01-18T22:44:22.000Z

This looks great, I hope the order ships fast and that the kit is complete? I’d need to print with a variety of nozzle diameters, .2 up to .8, this looks like it could do it with enough heat and cooling.

groutw · 2016-01-19T04:07:51.000Z

Would love to see how it does with PLA, I don’t have quite so many jams with other materials.

Vaeder · 2016-01-19T09:43:36.000Z

It looks familiar… The only thing with their setup is that they do not fully exploit the advantages of a belt and therefor they still had to add a hobbed bolt to the system to make it work. Actually now I look at the system more closely there is no way to tension the belts at all and the pulleys are positioned in a way that the belts cant do what they supposed to do, so you have in principle a system with 1 hobbed bolts and 4 smooth bolts in series…

Vaeder · 2016-01-19T09:45:44.000Z

Have tried it with abs, pla, petg, bioflex, ninjaflex and many more. None seem to have issues with the bend. Im now testing a 3mm version and it seems that there it is gonna be an issue, probably have to increase the diameter of the friction wheel.

Vaeder · 2016-01-19T09:47:34.000Z

An earlier version (print at your own risk) is already on github, just search for vaeder. This version im gonna put on my own website, so I can pay some of my food and rent from the ad revenue.

Vaeder · 2016-01-19T09:49:22.000Z

No problems what so ever

Vaeder · 2016-01-19T09:55:34.000Z

Check my channel: Demonstration: Vaeder curved geared cold end (early prototype) - YouTube

In the beginning of february I’ll do a demonstration in the reprapworld shop in Nootdorp, the Netherlands. We’ll record it for the youtube so you all can see. And we’re gonna use my next invention/design, a simple cheap filament speed sensor, to test the slip/speed of all different kinds of extruders on the market compared to the v-struder.

Vaeder · 2016-01-19T11:45:27.000Z

I’ll make one this afternoon and will post it on my channel: Demonstration: Vaeder curved geared cold end (early prototype) - YouTube

karlzhao314 · 2016-01-19T14:31:41.000Z

This looks like a good design, but I don’t see how this could bring FFF/FDM up to par with SLS or SLA. There are already extruder designs that exist that should theoretically easily manage the micron-scale features SLS and SLA can achieve, but we still can’t do it because of the dynamics of melting plastic and pushing it through a nozzle.

As for the design itself, I do see how this would reduce grinding, but my concern is that since there’s no longer anything to dig into the filament, might slippage happen if the pressure at the nozzle was higher? Of course, I haven’t tested it so I could be wrong, but it just seems likely especially if the coefficient of friction of the belts wasn’t very high.

docdawning · 2016-01-20T17:22:19.000Z

In the event of a nozzle jam, what fails/gives-way?

Nicely done, by the way, I really like this approach.

Imprenta3D · 2016-01-20T20:09:05.000Z

Great idea!! I would like to see prints’ pictures

MK3424 · 2016-01-21T13:22:14.000Z

Could this setup be used in a bowden extruder setup or is it just made for it or the direct drive?

nick_prsha · 2016-01-25T20:11:35.000Z

Vaeder,

Are the geared teeth on the belt really necessary? Have you tried a gear-less version? It seems like you could drive the big wheel directly off your stepper and use the other two on set screws to adjust belt tension, or put them on springs.