mouse bite

ohms · 2015-09-02T22:47:46.000Z

I have a consistent problem with mousebites on my airwolf 3d hd. it seems to be printing fine for a while, but I always get one eventually during a print. seems to happen more when there is a lot of retraction involved like a part with towers far apart, but happens nonetheless. I’ve already tried cleaning the extruder and cleaning out the hot end. I’m at a dead end right now. any help would be appreciated. the material I’m using right now is the white abs from matterhackers

Hawk3DProto · 2015-09-03T06:42:45.000Z

Hi Ohms,

What filament are you using?

tonycerda · 2015-09-03T08:16:55.000Z

Hi Ohms, you may want to take a look at the hobbed bolt that feeds the filament. Sometimes, it starts to fill the grooves with residue, and makes it less prone to feeding, thus sliding at points and possibly “bitting”. you can first try with compressed air, shooting into the feeder hole, or take it apart, but keep the correct order of the O rings and bearings so that you can put it back together in the right order. don’t over tighten the exterior bolts when you reassemble. see if this works. you may need to slow down and/or increase the temp as well

Dincer · 2015-09-03T08:58:22.000Z

Hi,

2.85 mm - 0.05 + must be within tolerance filaments.

Check the forward speed of the filaments.

If the material is very slow predicament correctly.

If it is too fast to be able to bite a mouse.

In addition, the distance between the nozzle plate is very important.

If the bed does not stick too far.

If the mouse can bite too close.

ohms · 2015-09-03T15:49:52.000Z

I’m using the 3mm white abs from matterhackers.com

ohms · 2015-09-03T15:53:07.000Z

I have cleaned out the bolt and calibrated the bed. I did notice though that I changed the feeding tube and this one is not as stirdy so when it is extruding, it tends to bend a lot to one side. You think that might have something to do with it?

Dincer · 2015-09-03T16:08:16.000Z

H,

No. You can not use a filament.

2,85mm + - 0.05mm tolerance there.

If you experience with your mouse bites are not suitable for filaments.

tonycerda · 2015-09-03T16:17:26.000Z

Hi Ohms, you should really stick to a 2.85-2.88 filament with +/-.05 tolerance. i have seen 3mm filament that measure up to 3.05 and even up to 3.1. too much for the original bowden tube. if you have larger tube, you may want to lower the flow down to 98-96%. see if that helps

Airwolf3D · 2015-09-03T18:15:36.000Z

Hi ohms,

Here are a few potential causes of mouse bites:

Changing the Bowden tube to one that is not as sturdy could also be causing the mouse bites. The filament from MatterHackers is good and is within specs but if you some calipers you can measure at various places, there could be some fluctuation in the diameter.

Hot end temperature too low: If the nozzle temperature is too far below the required extrusion temperature for the filament loaded, then the filament will not melt. The solid filament will not be able to extrude through the nozzle, which will cause the hobbed bolt to grind a mouse bite into it. Make sure the nozzle is at the proper temperature for the material you are trying to extrude.
Bed too close to the nozzle: If the bed is too close to the nozzle, then the material will not be able to exit the nozzle. This blockage can cause a mouse bite. Make sure the bed is far enough away from the nozzle by using the z-adjust screw.
Filament catching on the spool: If the filament spool is cross-threaded or becomes stuck, then a mouse bite will likely occur. Make sure not to let filament unspool, as respooling it can easily cause a cross-thread. Make sure there is nothing touching the spool so it can spin freely on the spool minder.
Improper settings selected: Improper temperature, speed, fan, or retraction settings can easily cause a mouse bite. Make sure the proper settings have been used for the material you are printing with.
Incorrect filament diameter: Ensure your filament is the proper diameter (2.85 ±0.1mm). If the filament is too thick, it will cause feeding issues resulting in a mouse bite.
Hot end not fully purged: If the hot end has not fully purged from the previous material, it can cause feeding issues and mouse bites. Though this will only happen if the previous material was a higher temp, it is still good practice to fully purge.
Dirty extruder assembly: Make sure the extruder assembly is clean and free of dust and debris. If there is excess filament shavings, the bolt can skip when feeding material.

Hawk3DProto · 2015-09-03T18:51:21.000Z

Try this link it may assist you What is a Mouse Bite and how do I fix it? | Airwolf 3D

Steeler86 · 2015-11-07T19:41:42.000Z

I have been battling our AirwolfHDx for a year now. I get about 70% sucess rate with both PLA and ABS and all the prints that fail are because of “mouse-bite”. I am not an engineer but I am convinced the issue resides in the filament drive system mounted on the back of the machine. I run the following printers without issues-- easily 95% print success rates–Lulzbot TAZ4 & TAZ5 and Lulzbot Mini, 3-- Makerbot Rep. 2’s and 2–Makerbot Rep 2x’s-- and these ALL place the filament drive near the extrusion nozzle. My theory-- only a theory-- is that as the filament is being pushed through the Bowden tube there are “spots” in the long filament tube distance where the energy of the filamnet drive is being offset by a movement in the tube as the print head moves and they subtley cancel each other out. Additionally-- as retractions build up in the process of this loss of physical movement through the tube (to the intended destination) the filament is being stripped down by the filamnet drive roll. The physics dictate that the filament drive is pushing UP and OUT-- never down. Only the plastic tube wrapped with the electric cable are directing the forces downward over a pretty substantial span (length). I am convinced this is a design flaw and the tube and the plastic wrap is not sufficient to make sure the force of the filament drive is consistent. If there is an engineer out there-- I would love to get an analysis of this theory. In my mind-- I think this system would work fine IF the printhead was static and the shape of the tube did not change. It’s the constant changing of the tube trajectory that I feel compromises the amount of force of the filament to the nozzle.

ShawnO · 2015-12-17T11:48:49.000Z

What temp are you running your filament at? What speed are you printing at? What size nozzle are you running… I have noticed on my AirWolf HDx I sometimes need to run 10-15 degs. higher on the temp to prevent mousebite… You can counter act the higher temp by running your fan… Also try taking apart the extruder feed assembly and clean out the groves of the bolt, there are also two little springs that help sandwich the filament in between the bolt and a bearing. I took mine out and stretched them to add a little bit more pressure to feed the filament continuously.