Hi!

I have bought an Up Mini a while ago, and it works very well with the UP brand ABS.

However, I’m having a lot of trouble with the store brand PLA (which they say they constantly use on their Up-brand printers, and it works well), I have some sporadic successes, but it usually ends with a clicking print head and no extrusion.

I usually have a good print just after cleaning the head, but then after a small print (usually a single small Marvin), I get problems. It almost seems to happen shortly after pausing between prints. Does anyone have trouble like this, or have any idea what could be the problem?

What happens when PLA remains inside a hot extruder without being pushed through?

Edit: problem apparently solved: I opened the front and top of the printer, and put a large desktop fan in front, blowing full power at the print head in order to cool the filament feed motor. It’s working quite nicely now.

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changfrancis

wrong temperature or the filament size is not correct, or transition zone too hot, build up of back flow molten plastic

Bruce_1

You must withdraw the filament after the print ends, otherwise the residue heat will cause the PLA to go soft

werner

Hmmm… some googling resulted in someone suggesting to point a fan at the stepper motor on the print head, and I managed to print a 1,5x size Marvin, which took longer than the time after which it usually quits working.

Joppe

Pla on a Mini is not easy. I have experimented a lot with it and not always with succes.

In the end I thought it was too hot inside for Pla, even their own Pla.

So I tried printing with the door and hood open and an extra little usb fan blowing towards the printhead.

that gave me much better results. Even woodfill came out ok.

But it is mainly a Abs printer. And as I read below, always remove the filament after printing, then it won’t clog the next time so easely.

But I still like the printer very much, it makes nice prints.

Best, Joppe

Bruce_1

Also, drop the nozzle height by 0.4mm from your normal ABS height. I print with PLA no problem. If you print with ABS check out the v2 platform heater for the mini, reduces warping and is an excellent addition!!

bobydelyon

Salut,

C’est exactement mon problème actuel, le fil ABS est bloqué dans la tête d’impression.

Que faut-il faire?

werner

Bruce_1

Thanks for the tip! I thought that project was dead, but apparently not… But with ABS I also have very little problems if I preheat it for a full hour with one of the gloves that come with the printer on the printbed.

werner

bobydelyon

Désolé, ca doit être un autre problème, je n’ai aucun problème avec l’ABS.

Tu pourrais essayer de mettre le bec de la tête d’impression dans de l’acétone pendant plusieurs heures (l’acétone dissout l’ABS, mais pas le PLA), ou bien faire un “cold pull” pour le débloquer, c’est à dire retirer le filament par le dessus quant la tête est à environ 200 degrés (mieux chercher sur Google pour des instructions plus précises). (Je démonte la tête afin de ne pas tirer sur la roue dentée.)

EDIT:

D’ailleurs, les imprimantes 3D de la marque UP ont apparemment souvent des problèmes avec des filaments qui ne viennent pas de chez PP3DP. Tu peux utiliser GitHub - ForsakenNGS/FixUp3D 9 pour abaisser la température, mais c’est pas guarani que ça marche.

Joppe

@Werner, can you write in english? I can’t understand french.

Would be nice.

Frontier_3D

Hey Mate, the issue with PLA through the UP! extruders is the drive gear gets hot and softens the PLA before
it reaches the hot end, causing blockages.

One simple fix is to open the UP! Mini doors to provide more cooling for the extruder. Also ensure you have PLA selected when you add new filament in the UP software.

Unfortunately I have not had much success with PLA in the UP even under perfect circumstances.

werner

Joppe

That this must be an unrelated problem since I don’t have any issues with ABS.

I suggested to submerge the nozzle in acetone for several hours or to doa “cold pull” of the filament.

Also that Up-brand printers often have trouble with non-PP3DP filament.

werner

Frontier_3D

Actually, I tried it with the door open and a desktop fan at full power in front, and it’s working quite nicely. I’m about an hour into the print, hasn’t blocked yet. (Actually, I just heard my printer beeping, print is done, and it’s looking good.)

I’m using Lay3rs strore-brand PLA filament.

Gilbert

Hi Werner,

I mostly print with abs and that prints well with all brands.

With PLA I have same problem. But I want 2 print/make a extra extruder cooler to solve that.

I had succes with flexpla when printed with abs settings without extra cooling.

cheers

Gilbert

werner

All brands ABS? I thought Up printers had trouble with non-PP3DP filament? The place where I bought my printer specifically recommended against using non-original filament with it.

Yes, I’m also going to install en extra cooler, but simply a desk fan works as well. (But looks stupid.)

Joppe

I print all sorts of ABS in the Mini. Never had problems with it.

Joppe

werner

Well, same people also said PLA would work without problems, so I’m going to take what they say with a grain of salt from now on… and just buy my filament somewhere else.

Joppe

I find Easyfill from Formfutura extremely good, though not cheap.

But I also printed with ABS filament costing 20 euro’s the kilogram and even that worked.

Its a pity though that the temp of the bed is not adjustable. With larger prints there is a severe chance of warping, but I use glue trying to prevent that. Sort of arabian gum we call it here in the Netherlands.

cheers.

werner

Hi! What brand 20 EUR/kg are you using? I’m also in the Netherlands.

My experience sometimes is that if the bed adhesion is good, the part simply warps the perforated bed itself. Would a higher temperature reduce that?

Lack of adjustable temperature indeed is annoying, as is the lack of PLA support out-of-the-box. Lack of support for 3rd party software as well. But still, printer works very well and is relatively user-friendly if you stick to the original PP3DP ABS filament.

Though, I would try out a RepRap if I had to choose a printer again since it’s open-source.

Joppe

Hi Werner,

123inkt is OK. That is the cheapest.

I don’t know if the heating of the bed has to be lower or higher since I cannot try it.

But I have another printer where everything is adjustable (Makerbot software) and I must say, every filament has its particular use. Unfortunately. Even different colors of the same manufacturer can differ.

Keep experimenting.

Usina

werner

We had in the beginning the same problem while trying to use the PLA, we thought that could be the filament. But as the other guy said, we started to try printing with the door open, the fan at full power, and we changed the printing surface for a square of glass (3mm). In order to fix the printing, in Brazil, there is a hair spray called “Karina - Fixação Extra Forte” (Karina - Extra Strong Fixation). Also, we quit printing PLA after using ABS, because of the overheating of the nozzle.

By the time we start using this process, our problems with PLA reduced a lot!

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