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Jan 2017

That’s a tiny tolerance, make a 200mm part and it’s got to be within 2mm?
It’s not about how it comes off your machine, it’s about how it measures when you get it there. Many materials can grow and shrink more than that just from differing moisture levels. Never mind the rest of the stuff I mentioned earlier.

It comes off your machine and measures perfect, gets to the customer and it’s out of tolerance. Now, who is footing the bill and who has to prove it was in spec (and how, since the guidelines are so vague with obviously no proper QA process in place) - guess what, it’s the hub.

Agreed. No offense @filemon but you’re just saying the same argument that has been countered time and time again on here. Our concerns weren’t hitting the targets, as a few of us have stashed several times, it’s enforcing them. It’s starting to feel a bit like beating a dead horse here, plenty of people have come onto this forum saying that these tolerances are easy to hit, which in my opinion they are, excluding post processing expansion or manipulation. Our concern was people manipulating the system to their advantage, or at least a fair few of us had this concern and I do feel it must be addressed.

Ok, got it @Enza3D @PepCo_Parker.

The guidelines only serve as reference for when there’s a dispute. Platform wide this is a very low number. The situation in which the Hub claims to deliver according to specs but the customer claims the part was not is expected to be even lower.

Having said that, if this does happen we’ll take a case by case approach. If your Hub has a good reputation you’ll obviously get the benefit of the doubt and in some cases the refund to customer will be on us. I’m curious to hear if you guys have any other suggestions on how you feel guidelines should be applied in situations?

Hi all & @Filemon

I don’t see a big issue with the guidelines as it helps both sides to adjust expectations vs. possibilities.
But may be some fine tuning is inevitable:

1. Dimensional accuracy: May be it makes sense to add specific tolerances for specific materials, like:

PLA: +/- 1mm or 1%

Nylon: +/- 1.5mm or 1.5% (or whatever makes sense)
ABS: +/- 2mm or 2% (or whatever makes sense)

2. Dimensional accuracy: Contrary to popular belief it is still my opinion that it would make sense if 3D Hubs would provide a file to approve the dimensional accuracy (and may be other parameters).
All existing Hubs shall print this file to approve their print settings.

Instead of printing Marvin new Hubs will have to approve that they are able to print according to the guidelines.

Sure, there are plenty of models on Thingiverse, etc. for testing the printers accuracy, but if there were an official file all hubs will do the same test.

What do you think?

Cheers,

Joerg

“All existing Hubs shall print this file to approve their print settings.
Instead of printing Marvin new Hubs will have to approve that they are able to print according to the guidelines.
Sure, there are plenty of models on Thingiverse, etc. for testing the printers accuracy, but if there were an official file all hubs will do the same test.
What do you think?”

And the question still remain: How do you check if it was printed accurate? I can say that it has been printed OK. How 3DHUBS check that it has? From the photos? I do not think so. Only if you physically you sent the part there and they measure it. I do not think they want their office filled with test prints. Lets be pragmatic and realistic.

Sorry @Georgei but your comment has made me think of this episode of Doctor Who: I can just see all the staff at 3DHubs fighting their way past mounds of 30mm cubes (to within 1% accuracy, of course).
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