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Jul 2017

I don’t see it that way. If it’s minor supports I include the removal for free.

If major supports are required, I charge extra for the support material (which also includes removal, unless the customer wants to remove it themselves). The guidelines do not say you cannot charge for removing supports.

Also we need to remember that once a customer already has paid as long as you explain what the charges are for, they will comply.

Now if 3D Hubs insists you remove supports and you do it for free, well then that would be a totally different issue.

I think you are missing the point entirely. The policy is that you must remove and sand support material. That means I don’t have a choice between offering that as a service to my customer or not. To comply with the use agreement for 3Dhubs.com 2, Hubs must remove and sand the supports.

Yes I can decide to charge or not, but I have to perform that finishing service regardles of my customers preference and budget.

prior to this mandate I could offer levels of finish work. This takes one more level of control from the hub and I personally don’t appreciate this level of interference in how I do business.

The fact fact that hubs in populated areas are getting high search rankings while many hubs are being downgraded by some magical algorithm in favor of hubs that are hundreds of miles away suggests that this could be an attempt by 3Dhubs to cull a glut of hubs from their service while still appearing to support the maker and decentralized manufacturing movements.

Hi @CollectorCNC, @Zapaer & @,

As a member of the 3D Hubs support team for nearly 3 years now I’ve seen a lot of SLA orders come by. A big issue with these orders was the fact that customers often did not receive the order as they expected it. The SLA quality guidelines are there to align the services of all SLA Hubs in order to have a fair price competition.

Just as in the FDM Quality Guidelines, the guidelines can be overruled if both customer and Hub agree on different terms. For example, if a customer would like to remove supports themselves, by all means.

@CollectorCNC, please understand our position. We’re always trying to find the middle ground between what is best for the customers and what is best for the Hubs. It is not our intend to dictate anything but for the network to be reliable and successful, we feel this guidelines can be very beneficial to both parties.

Best,

Robin - 3D Hubs

Agree with your points. I do support removal as a complimentary service for the most part. It isn’t a big deal and I want to see how the part is.
Like you, my costs are low so I can price accordingly. I am not trying to undercut anyone but just offering printing at a rate that I am ok with in my area so people can have access and learn about it.

Yep form2 is a gem! Takes a little time to figure out strengths and weaknesses but I have s nearly 100% success rate for print and ship

well…

i have used the price of surface area to get paid by the hours spent on printing… its not perfect, some parts have less surface area but takes more time etc… you get my point

for the material cost i have used the price for used material which only became available recently

what we real need is a way to upload slicer configs for the most popular slicers so that time needed can be calculated and the time spent factored in

of course for that to work 3dhubs can only support slicers that can be cloud driven… and they need to include some way to take post processing in to account…

Next they need to fix the sorting by distance feature… google api’s can do this for them and yet they still meassure distance by bird route and not the route by car or bike… for sure i’m not going to run the bike for 6 hours because the bird route says its close by and the fact is another

The support material removal option needs to be made a cost definable option that the customer can select during ordering.

Out of 50 orders, only one was surprised/confused by having support material attached. I am now spending more time explaining to the customer about support material and if they want me to remove it, or if they want to and I supply free side clippers. I even have “My prices do **NOT** include support material removal.” as the first line of my Hub’s About section which is visible during ordering, but I still have to explain it. If this system is not altered to have this as an optional cost based service (no matter how it get defined), I will voluntarily offline my hub until that does become a feature. That isn’t a declaration of protest, it is simply my determination that the current SLA guidelines will make my continued high level of service too much of an inconvenience for me. My other option is to add my hourly rate to my complex calculation, which will have me receive 0 orders (or people asking if my prices include hand delivery by Justin Bieber, where he also plays a full concert post delivery).